Heads up jdoedeere, golf=hole lines need to start at the tee and end in the green. I noticed a few of yours were pointed the other way around today. I'm cleaning them up as I find them but thought you should know for future edits. Thanks.

RE: way/1451392555

When drawing golf course areas (such as greens, fairways, bunkers, tees, etc.), please be aware that the ways used to outline those areas can't cross over each other. Fairway outlines shouldn't cross over greens or bunkers or other fairways for example. If you could go back and clean up where you've made this mistake, that would be helpful. But more importantly, if you could stop from doing this in the future, it would be greatly appreciated. Please read the wiki for instructions and examples of how to better map golf courses: leisure=golf_course#Common_mapping_pitfalls. If you have any questions about golf course mapping, feel free to reach out.

RE: way/1451431546

When drawing golf course areas (i.e. greens, fairways, bunkers, tees, etc.), please be aware that the ways (lines) used to outline those areas must not cross over each other. Fairway outlines shouldn't cross over greens or bunkers or other fairways for example. Take a look at osm.wiki/File:Golf.png for an example of the "Wrong" way to map a fairway and a green along with the right way. There are some cases where a fringe exists around a green and you should draw the fairway outline completely around a green, leaving room for the fringe. Other times, the fairway and green butt up against each other. In that case the fairway and green should share the same nodes at the boundary between the two, and every node at the boundary needs to be shared leaving no gaps. When drawing these shared nodes, editors like iD (built into openstreetmap.org) will "snap" to an existing node if you get close enough. If you have any questions about golf course mapping, feel free to reach out. Thanks.

RE: way/1451207927

You shouldn't have two golf course features like the fairway and water hazard intersect/overlap like they do on Hole #4. Your fairway should go around the water. Otherwise, you are saying that everything in that overlap is both fairway grass and water at the same time.

RE: way/1279807753

Why are you creating nearly identical golf course elements with the same tags as existing elements?

Hey there atomic,

Can you explain what is going on with the green at way/1279807753 ? It is overlapping a pond that shows up in several different aerial imagery, none of which I have access to that shows a green is there.

Your green also overlaps with a bunker, which shouldn't happen. Something is either a green or a bunker, it can't be both. Therefore, the area of those shouldn't overlap.

But the bigger question is why the green is overlapping the pond. If you have accurate imagery that we don't, please make sure the pond gets updated as well as the green/bunker overlap.

Thanks

Thanks for your contributions Mark.

In the future, please make sure the greens and fairways don't intersect each other. I realize you were just adding greens and the fairways were already poorly drawn in, but it sets off Q/A checks when they overlap. Thanks.

I understand your frustration Russ. But lashing out and name calling won't be tolerated in the community and can result in your account being banned. I want to work with mappers to make sure quality updates are being made to the map, and what I saw here was not quality. I've been spending the last 3 years cleaning up tens of thousands of golf course features and what often happens is someone X amount of work means 2X amount of cleanup.

You say I didn't look at imagery, but that isn't true. If your changeset is accurate, you used Bing imagery, as did I. If you have imagery that is different I'd love to see it. But with that being said, no imagery exists that would justify a change like this: https://imgur.com/a/0zkjyBx

Fairways should never cross over greens like that. If it was a work-in-progress, you shouldn't be uploading broken geometry like that. There were other problems with your changes as well, but this stood out as particularly egregious.

And then you replace some misclassified things like a cartpath, but instead of just classifying it correctly, you erase it and draw in a sloppy replacement (way/1449476022) with less resolution that improperly doubles back on itself at the north end.

I'm here to help you improve, but I'm not here if you continue to use abusive language. Thanks for attention to this matter.

The Belle Meade changes have been reverted as they violate some very basic principals of golf course mapping. First and foremost, the intersection of golf course areas (fairways, greens, bunkers, tees, roughs, etc). Secondarily, you are deleting someone's work and recreating it instead of modifying existing objects. This obfuscates the history and should be avoided whenever possible. Please read up on the golf_course wiki before proceeding with any golf course mapping. There's a lot of good information there and we're happy to help you improve your mapping. Thanks.

RE: node/9105411079

Please be careful to include ALL nodes along a boundary in your fairway. That particular node was missed and that sets of an automated error check that looks for bunkers that overlap fairways (any golf course areas for that matter.)

Thanks

hello gpneal,

Please make sure the areas on a golf course don't intersect each other. Like on the first hole, your fairway was intersecting the green. Also, it's best to modify existing areas instead of deleting them and drawing them from scratch. You lose valuable history when you delete work. thanks.

FYI, the correct tag when numbering holes (fairways, greens, etc) is "ref", not "hole". I've fixed up this batch but thought you should know for future edits.

You're probably referring to an earlier change in the history than my change. You might want to view the object in question's history and find someone else. I only touch the "website" tag. I have no hand in touching the "shop" tag.

Oops, reused wrong changeset description. This was a revert on a bad change that violated basic golf course etiquette (fairways crossing over greens)

RE: way/1445319095

When drawing golf course areas (i.e. greens, fairways, bunkers, tees, etc.), please be aware that the ways (lines) used to outline those areas must not cross over each other. Fairway outlines shouldn't cross over greens or bunkers or other fairways for example. Take a look at osm.wiki/File:Golf.png for an example of the "Wrong" way to map a fairway and a green along with the right way. There are some cases where a fringe exists around a green and you should draw the fairway outline completely around a green, leaving room for the fringe. Other times, the fairway and green butt up against each other. In that case the fairway and green should share the same nodes at the boundary between the two, and every node at the boundary needs to be shared leaving no gaps. When drawing these shared nodes, editors like iD (built into openstreetmap.org) will "snap" to an existing node if you get close enough. If you have any questions about golf course mapping, feel free to reach out. Thanks.

Thanks for creating these greens, but please make sure your greens don't intersect with other existing (or created) golf areas like fairways. If you need to fix someone else's work, please do so that it doesn't create an inconsistency (error) in the map. Thanks.

Hey there ICT,

Just wanted to let you know that golf holes have a direction to them and go from the tee to the green. I've gone ahead and fixed them on this course but wanted you to know for future mapping. Thanks.

Hi Jaker, I just wanted to let you know I made a couple of small changes to your golf course mapping. The start of the golf=hole line you drew in a couple of places was labelled as a golf=tee. But the area around that was already marked as a tee, which is redundant. So I removed the tag on the node itself. Just thought you'd want to know.

RE: way/1443109313

There are a couple problems with this "rough" area. The first is that it crosses over cart paths. It should be kept to the grass, so should be split into two whenever a path intersects the rough. The second problem is that it intersects with a bunker. Areas like fairways, roughs, greens, bunkers, tees, etc should never intersect each other.

If you could go back in and fix this, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

You're the best! Thanks.